As he was approaching 40, Bryan Echols realized he was almost half his father's age, and he became curious about the man who raised him.
"What were you like at 40?" Bryan asked his 80-year-old father, Lindberg Echols, at StoryCorps in Chicago.
"Well, I had seven kids," said Lindberg, who worked at a ceramics factory in Gilberts, Ill., to support his family, which included Bryan and his six siblings, plus two daughters from a different marriage. "And I guess I was pretty tough on the boys," he said.
"It was a relationship that got better," Bryan said.
During the six-hour road trips to Southern Illinois University, where Bryan went to college, he and his father talked and joked, and grew to understand each other.
"I learned during that time period that the reason that you were so strict was that you wanted to make sure that I became a man," Bryan told his father.
He also remembered a time when he and his father were driving, and Bryan said, "You know, man, when I was younger, I didn't like you much."
Laughing, Lindberg said none of his other kids had ever told him something like that. "I figured they all sort of had that feeling about me, but we did our best to raise you all.
"And you look back on it, it was a good thing, because you did something that matters," Lindberg told Bryan, who is now the executive director for the Metropolitan Area Group for Igniting Civilization -- a nonprofit dedicated to empowering youth throughout Chicago.
"I felt that I was blessed," Bryan said. "I was chosen to have an amazing man in my life as a father. And, you know, whenever I am blessed to have kids, it will be the same way."
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